This interview took place on: 3/2/03.
Well, that's a good question! The best way to explain it is Sony is a big battleship of a company. It takes
a long time to turn it around. It's like parallel parking a Buick. It just takes a little bit longer.
But how did we get signed to Columbia? We did a bunch of concerts, basically, for all of these
industry guys and they seemed like the best fit for us. John: Really? Cause the album
was originally supposed to come out in October, and it was finished... Yeah, I mean
a lot of these songs I wrote like three years ago. "24" was written when I was twenty-four. I'm twenty-six now.
Yeah, I mean I always am writing songs. It's my favorite thing to do. It's like a chipmunk! You kinda
store them all up and eat them later! *laughs*
He's been a friend of mine for a long time. We've known him forever. He called me from the top of this
L.A. office building - like the tallest building in L.A. He was a "suit", basically, wearing his tie
everyday to work for a week or so. He quit because he couldn't do it. He's like "I gotta get back
to music!" He called me and he's like, "Hey Jon! Do you still want a keyboard player?" So I said,
"Yeah! Let's do it!"
Jon: I feel like Jerome is a great team player. I mean the same thing where live he just kind of fills
in, is the same thing on the album. He's just a wonderful guy to have around. I just feel like he's got really good
ideas - he adds them all the time.
The guitar is my guitar. I bought it at a pawn shop in like North Dakota for thirty bones and the original idea
was we were going to break it in half and put it at the bottom of the pool. Well, actually, we were going to light
it on fire, but the place wouldn't let us light things on fire, so we were going to break it in half. But then
I got too attached to it. As I was playing it, I was like "I can't break this in half!" So we ended up just throwing
it at the bottom of the pool. It was in North L.A. Probably North Hollywood. I don't know exactly the location. It
was a sketchy hotel where people rented rooms for months, y'know? It was a weird place, but it had a cool looking pool!
Jon: There's twenty four hours in a day. For me, I feel like there are a lot of things
inside my heart that are political. I feel like there are a lot of different parties that are vying for decisions
on different proposals. And for example, any decision in our lives, whether it's moral or not, there's a million
different ways we can respond. I could slap your thing (mini-cassette recorder) out the window or punch you
in the face, y'know? *smiles* There's a lot of things I could do right now. And there's all these things bouncing
through your head. "24" is about wanting to be united into one person. It talks about that. "Hear, O Israel,
the Lord your God is one!" Love the Lord with all your heart, all your strength, all your mind, all of who
you are - that's integrity! So that's what "24" is about. John: Cool. And thanks for not
hitting this out the window or punching me in the face! *laughs*
Jon: Um... I love that song, but it just didn't fit with the album. We've cut a lot of songs from
different albums just depending on whether they fit or not. That was a song that just definitely wasn't happening.
Just in the vibe of the whole album. So... yeah, no hard feelings! We're still good friends! *laughs*
John: No no, I like the song too, but I actually felt that way when I heard it.
Yeah. I could tell it didn't fit... Yeah. But I like that song,
it just doesn't really fit with the record. We put it out as a b-side on our 7 inch. So it's available,
just not on the album.
Jon: We just felt like that song hadn't lived its shelf life yet. Being signed to Columbia,
there's a lot of people who haven't heard that song that will hear it on the new Columbia release. See, that
song for us is a defining song and we want people who are just being first introduced to our sound to have
that as a part of the experience. Also, after having played it a couple years live, I feel like we've got a better
grip of how we want it to be on a record. I wish we had the chance with a couple other songs but that was one
that everyone agreed we should do that one again.
Jon: I wrote that with a friend of mine in like five minutes. He was late to catch a train.
He's a friend of mine from Canada, he was in L.A. for a couple of weeks. He road the train down to my house
to hang out for a day. And we wrote two songs the night before for his project, and actually, this was for
his project, too, but we liked it so much we wanted to use it for ours. It was like half an hour before he
had to catch his train and we just threw it down and then ran down to the train station and got him on.
Jon: It's been delayed for a long time now and it does exist. We just had our first
feature-length documentary come out which is called "Everything to Lose." It's done by E.E. Kennedy, she's
a film student at USC. And that's not going to be released to the public, it's going to be tailored to Switchfootage
and then that's what everyone's going to see. Hopefully Spring or Summer. But we have all the footage, it's
just a matter of narrowing it down now. It's going to come with a short called "Red Tape." It's kinda cool, you'll
like it! Is it going to be on just video or DVD, too? It should be on DVD and video, yeah!
Jon: Psalm 103, I'd say. Why? It's a very inclusive psalm. It
talks about many different states of mind that we go through as humanity. And for me, it encourages me
to keep my head on and focus on what matters.
Jon: I like "24." Yeah, that's pretty fun.
Jon: Well, that's a complex question... I think from where I'm coming from in my faith,
that's an entirely different question than the musician aspect of it, y'know? I think, first of all,
to keep your head straight and keep your eyes focused on what matters. That advice I give to everyone.
To the musicians, I'd probably say to make sure you enjoy that music is a beautiful and incredible gift to be
given. I think so many people, myself included, you're always looking foward to the next big thing, the next big thing.
But the next big thing, who knows if it's going to be better than what we're doing now? So take advantage of
the fact that you have breath right now. You don't know that you're going to have it tomorrow.
Jon: *laughs* He's cool! John: *laughs* He's cool?
Yeah! He's totally cool! What does he look like? *laughs* Um... I can't remember.
I think he had curly hair? I can't remember. I'd know if I saw him. I think he's taller than I am, dark hair.
Darker, maybe like, that color hair? *points to Kevin's hair* Yeah, we're hoping to finally
meet him this summer! Yeah, he's a good guy! He told me he was working with you guys... Wait! It was in
Virginia Beach? I don't think so... Was it last night? Friday night,
wherever Friday night was... Friday night was um... South Carolina! I met him outside the club,
I remember that. Kevin: Was there snow down there? No, no. But it's been getting colder and colder
as we go up.
Jon: Well, that again, is a tough question... I had the chance to meet Bono (of U2). I'd have to say
they're one of my heroes, for sure.
Jon: Disney World? I've been to Disney World, but Disney Land is a lot closer.
John: What do you recommend around Disney World? Oh dude, they've got some really cool
things down there. I moved from Virginia Beach to California, right? We went through Disney World -- it's not really
on the way, but anyways... There were some places where you could go and they've got pools and it's just really
relaxing. It's beautiful, it's really nice! Very "Disney," y'know? Very clean, there's no trash laying around.
John: No rides you recommend? No, no, it's a family type place.
Jon: Aw man, love each other! Your pride is such a venomous animal and it pops up its head everywhere.
You can never kill it, but you can be aware of it and you can beat it down the best you can. That's the most dangerous
thing when it comes to love. John: Cool, yeah, cause we hear a lot of discouraging things
about marriage. Be afraid! Be fearfully and wonderfully made, y'know? Be ready to take both ends of that.
Jon: No, it just keeps growing! I love Owen Wilson, though! *smiles*
Jon: Live well! We'll see you around!
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